In episode five of "The Engagement Game: The Podcast," author Joi-Marie McKenzie wants to change the narrative of Black fathers and their daughters by talking about how our fathers positively impacted our relationships.

This time she taps ESSENCE's Relationships and Wellness Director, Charli Penn, another self-described daddy's girl to help her. 

Here's everything we promised would be in the description box:

+ Check out Charli's new podcast, The Solve, wherever you listen to your podcasts. 

+ Pick up a copy of The Engagement Game wherever books are sold, including Amazon, Barnes and Noble and even Audible!

+ Follow Charli at @manwifedog on Twitter and @CharliPenn on Instagram; and follow Joi-Marie @joimariewrites on Twitter and Instagram.