Creating meaningful change when it comes to diversity and inclusion requires a multi-faceted approach. Training, using data insights and facilitating employee participation can all help to shift the dial in a positive direction. Herbert Smith Freehills' (HSF) global director of culture and inclusion, Danielle Kelly, had a conversation with HR Leader about the D&I initiatives in place at HSF, including the creation of a "people forum". Providing insights to help others who aspire to a D&I program like HSF's, Ms Kelly said: "When clients come to me and say, 'We want to start on our D&I journey, can you help us?' My first question is: what does your data look like?" Learn more by listening to the podcast below.