In this engaging conversation, Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir explore the complexities of leadership transitions, the reasons leaders may overstay their welcome, and the importance of self-reflection and ego management. They discuss the challenges of recognizing when it's time to step down, the impact of identity on leadership roles, and the necessity of preparing successors to ensure organizational growth. The dialogue emphasizes the need for introspection, agency, and the courage to ask difficult questions about one's role and contributions.