Byline Times writer Nafeez Ahmed has been calculating the number of civilians who died in the War On Terror that followed the 9/11 attacks on the Twin Towers. His conclusion is that 6 million people died, either directly or indirectly in countries as various as Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria. In this episode you can hear how he arrives at this starling conclusion - and what he makes of George W. Bush's insistence that he "did the right thing."

Presented by Adrian Goldberg. Produced in Birmingham by Adrian Goldberg and Harvey White.