The trial of Paul Manafort, a former chairman of the Trump campaign, is the first one to result from charges brought by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel overseeing the investigation into Russian election interference. Yet the trial itself, at least on the surface, has little to do with Russia or with President Trump. Guest: Nicholas Confessore, an investigative reporter at The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

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