On this episode of The Agile for Agilists Podcast, hosts Drew Podwal and Brad Nelson sit down with Operational Excellence Leader and Kata Coach Kelly Mallery—along with her loyal (and squeaky-toy-loving) dog, Osiris—to explore the power of scientific thinking in the business world.

Kelly unpacks how practices rooted in Toyota Kata and Lean thinking help teams move beyond checking boxes and instead focus on real learning, experimentation, and adaptive leadership. Whether you’re leading a team, coaching an organization, or trying to drive meaningful change, this conversation gets to the heart of what it takes to build a true culture of continuous improvement.

If you’ve ever wondered how to move from doing Agile to being Agile, scientific thinking might just be the chemical X you've been looking for.

🔗 Connect with Kelly Mallery:🌐 www.kellymallery.com💼 Kelly on LinkedIn

📚 Learn more about Toyota Kata and Scientific Thinking:👉 kata-school.org