How should we view a lopsided loss to Utah? Is it ultimately just one of seven losses in a trying 2023 campaign, or is it a true step back a week after the Sun Devils or able to finally notch the first Pac-12 win of the year? To discuss that topic and many more concerning the football program, I am joined by Speak of the Devils Podcast co-host Brad Denny, who offers his perspective on the present and the future of the program.