"When I say tell and re-tell the story of us until it becomes the story we want, bringing us together in a culture of kind and creative community, I am not being mystical, airy, saintly, hippie-esque, poetic, or intellectual. I am talking about straight-up hardcore pragmatism."

Episode 5 is now live. If you have any feedback you can always tweet @GeePawHill on Twitter, or drop a voice message via the voice messages link here on Anchor. You can also read the full transcription of the podcast over on GeePawHill.org.