While in-store sales this Black Friday were significantly down, holiday shopping hasn't skipped a beat thanks to online sales. But retailers with services like curbside pickup are faring far better than others, says Fortune's Phil Wahba. In this episode, Brainstorm's Brian O'Keefe and Michal Lev-Ram speak with Wahba about the winners and losers on the retail side of this holiday season.

Also in the episode, a conversation with Loren Padelford, Vice President and General Manager of Shopify, an e-commerce platform that's experienced meteoric growth during the pandemic.

And you'll hear from Ben Jones, CEO of Ohi. His smart warehousing company enables same-day delivery for smaller brands looking to compete with the shipping norms established by giants like Amazon and Walmart.

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