Do you try hard to be a “good” person? This week’s guest Dolly Chugh says that striving to be “good-ish” may be good enough. Dolly is a social psychologist and Associate Professor at NYU’s Stern School. She is also the author of The Person You Mean To Be, where she mixes science and evidence-based research with mindset tips to help the reader better understand themselves and learn what it means to be more inclusive. On the pod, Dolly shares why it’s so hard to spot our biases and acknowledge mistakes, and how to let go of the attachment to being a “good person” and step into real growth. Dolly and I discuss how our moral identity in society plays a role in how we show up and hope to be seen by others, and some obstacles that stand in the way of us being a truly “good” person. She gives concrete tips on being more inclusive in a virtual world, and how she found her community as a writer.