In this conversation with photographer Jen Downer, we talk about how to talk to someone who is grieving with the goal of deeper connection and solace, and how to help others talk to you when you are grieving.

Jen has walked through a lot of grief, including the death of both parents and living with a son who is autistic. We cover how to create real and authentic connections in times of sudden or ongoing, cyclical grief, and how the same words can be both connecting and disconnecting - the art is in how and when you use them.

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