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This week's episode is hosted by me, David Spark, producer of CISO Series and Andy Ellis, partner, YL Ventures. Joining us is Edward Contreras, senior evp and CISO, Frost Bank.

In this episode:

• A gradual language shift
• Don't reflexively rise and grind
• Lean into focus
• Gauging the unmeasurable

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