Navigating the stormy seas of talent development and the rigorous demands of running a business, our hosts dive deep into the world of coaching, growth, and bouncing back from failure. In this enlightening conversation with our guest, Nicole Zuber, we explore her transformative role in developing Top Ops and discuss the nuanced art of coaching. How do you nurture someone to grow into their role, especially when they stumble repeatedly?   The team reflects on the pervasive issue of burnout. Is it the task itself or how it's approached that leads to weariness? It's a critical distinction that can reshape one's professional journey.   Nicole bravely opens up about her most significant setback, sharing a tale of initial loss in the real estate realm and the tenacious spirit that allowed her to pivot and rise from the ashes.   This episode serves as a resonant reminder for all listeners: Embrace failures, learn from them, and always strive for intentional personal and professional growth. Dive in and discover how to indeed "fail up."