Made For Us

How to design a fairer healthcare system, with Layal Liverpool and Tessa Davis


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When science journalist Layal Liverpool was finally diagnosed with eczema as a teenager, it came as a shock. Not because of the condition itself, but because only one doctor had recognized it on her skin tone.

Pediatrician Tessa Davis had a similar wake-up call: she noticed that a Google search for common skin conditions only returned images of white patients. So she started collecting images of conditions on diverse skin tones, and launched a movement in the process.

In this episode, Layal Liverpool, author of Systemic: How Racism is Making Us Ill, and Tessa Davis, a consultant at the Royal London Hospital, shed light on how racial inequities show up in diagnosis, treatment and outcomes — and how more inclusive care can lead to better health for all.

We discuss:

  • How racial health inequities harm not just marginalised communities, but all of us
  • The alarming disparities in maternal health in the UK and US that can’t be explained by income alone
  • The lack of diversity in medical textbooks and efforts to diversify the medical curriculum

If you found this episode as eye-opening as we did, share it with a friend and leave us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify to spread the word!

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About Layal Liverpool:

Layal Liverpool is a science journalist and author of SYSTEMIC: How Racism is Making Us Ill,’ a book exploring the health harms of racism. She was a reporter for Nature and New Scientist and worked as a biomedical researcher at University College London and the University of Oxford. She holds a PhD in virology and immunology from the University of Oxford.

Learn more about Layal Liverpool: https://layalliverpool.com/

Follow Layal Liverpool on Instagram

About Tessa Davis:

Tessa is a Paediatric Emergency Medicine Consultant at the Royal London Hospital, and an Honorary Clinical Reader at Queen Mary University of London. She is also an interview coach helping doctors in the UK prep for their NHS Consultant Interviews.

Learn more about Skin Deep: www.DFTBSkinDeep.com

Follow Tessa on Instagram

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