In this episode of As in Heaven, hosts Jim Davis and Michael Graham welcome Jake Meador to discuss the merits of having a posture of a "church in exile." They explore how this exilic posture could help us close the back door of the church and regain our prophetic voice.

Episode time stamps:

• Episode and guest introduction (0:00)
• Moving from empire to exile (4:37)
• Centrality of patience (11:38)
• Role of attention in a digital age (16:53)
• Advantages of living in a state of exile (23:08)
• Learning from others across broader church history (29:41)
• Advice for clergy and business owners in secular workplaces (36:11)
• Relational wisdom in a low-trust environment (43:31)

This episode is part of As In Heaven’s third season, devoted to The Great Dechurching—the largest and fastest religious shift in U.S. history. To learn more about this phenomenon on which the episodes of this season are based, preorder The Great Dechurching by Michael Graham and Jim Davis.