We all desire to have joy in our lives but it is not easy when there is a very difficult scenario in our lives. In this POP Talk interview Lisa Burkhardt Worley and Lane Jordan Burday will speak with Carole Leathem, author of Are You Ready to Find Joy When Life Gets Messy? Carole, a pastor's wife, will share how she found joy when, after 40 years of marriage, her husband began to struggle with depression and mental illness.