How to Program with Java Podcast

I'm losing software contracts right now, and I want to tell you why. Business owners who would've paid me $10,000 to build them something are telling me they'll just build it themselves with AI. That sounds like bad news for a guy who makes his living writing software, but in this episode I get into why I actually think it's a gift, and what it's telling me about where the real opportunity is heading.

I break down the pricing models I think are dead and the ones I think are about to take off. I talk about why selling software to businesses for $500 a month is a much harder game than it used to be, and why selling to regular people for $5 a month might be where the real money is hiding over the next five years. I also get into why paid advertising falls apart at those low price points, and what you have to do instead.

I share the actual marketing plan I'm using for the app I'm building right now (it starts with my neighborhood group chat), why I think your wife or your neighbor is probably a better customer than a business owner, and the one metric you should be watching instead of listening to what your friends say about your product. If you've been sitting on a software idea and wondering whether it's worth building, this one's for you.

Topics covered:

• Why business owners are canceling software subscriptions and building their own with AI
• The pricing model I think is dead, and the two replacing it
• Why selling software to businesses is suddenly a much harder game
• The consumer market opportunity that was a bad bet for years and is suddenly wide open
• Why paid advertising falls apart at $5 a month price points
• How virality can replace advertising when your product actually solves a real problem
• The baby sleep app thought experiment that explains consumer virality
• My actual marketing plan for the app I'm building (hint: it starts at school pickup)
• Why you should never trust your friends' compliments about your product
• The one metric that matters more than anything anyone says out loud

Chapters:

00:00 Intro 00:25 Why I'm losing contracts to AI 05:16 How to compete on extreme automation 07:17 Charging by outcome instead of per-seat 14:29 The case for consumer software over business software 27:40 Why paid ads won't save a $5-a-month product 32:18 Virality: how the right product markets itself 38:40 My actual marketing plan (starting with my neighborhood) 46:37 Build apps you actually use yourself 49:27 Don't trust compliments, watch the usage data

Questions or thoughts? Email me at [email protected]

It's been over a year since my last episode, and I owe you an update. In this episode, I get real about what happened with the Coders Campus coding bootcamp — why we had to shut down new admissions, and what led to that decision.

But it's not all bad news. I also share what I've been doing since then: going all-in on AI-powered software development, landing the highest-paying contract of my entire career, and building 15+ applications in about 12 months — including a platform that generated nearly half a million dollars in revenue.

I break down exactly how I'm building software today using Claude Code and Codex, why your opinion about AI-generated code might be wrong if you haven't used these tools, and why I believe the role of a software developer has fundamentally changed.

Topics covered:

• Why the Coders Campus bootcamp shut down
• How AI transformed my development workflow
• The WinningAds platform: one developer, half a million in sales, 99.99% uptime
• Claude Code vs ChatGPT: why they're not the same thing
• Why software developers are now project managers, product owners, and QA engineers
• The apps I've built: TimeTrackr, CaptureOS, a family management app, a fitness tracker, and more
• What's next for the Coders Campus brand
• Why learning AI is the safest career bet right now

Questions or thoughts? Email me at [email protected]

Episode Summary

In this episode, Trevor Page delves into the challenges aspiring software developers face when trying to land their first job. Drawing from his 15 years of programming experience and 12 years of teaching, Trevor offers a unique perspective on the realities of breaking into the tech industry. He discusses the common misconceptions new developers have, the difficulties of finding a job, and why having coding skills alone isn't enough to secure a position.

Trevor also introduces Coders Campus's new Guaranteed Internship Program, designed to provide real-world coding experience in a team environment while working on software projects for actual customers. This innovative program offers a profit-sharing model, allowing participants to earn money based on the success of the projects they work on. He shares insights into the structure of the internship, the roles participants will play, and the long-term benefits of gaining practical experience.

Key Topics Discussed:

• The Reality of Getting a Coding Job: Understanding that having the skills does not mean you are guaranteed a job.
• Common Pathways to Employment: Exploring traditional methods like open source contributions, volunteering, and unpaid internships, and why they might not be sufficient.
• Introducing the Guaranteed Internship Program: A detailed overview of Coders Campus's new initiative to help aspiring developers gain real-world experience while working in a team and potentially earning income through profit-sharing.
• The Importance of Real-World Experience: How hands-on coding in a collaborative environment can significantly improve job prospects.
• Case Study - JP's Success: A real-life example of a Coders Campus student who secured a job after participating in the internship program.
• Opportunities for Non-Bootcamp Participants: Trevor hints at a future program for those who already have coding skills but need certification and experience.

Call to Action: If you're ready to take your coding career to the next level and join a program that offers real-world experience, visit coderscampus.com/bootcamp to apply for the next cohort. For those interested in the upcoming certification program, email Trevor directly at [email protected].

Quotes:

• "Just because you have the skills does not mean you are owed the job."
• "If you and any other entry-level developer are applying to the same position, but you have real-world experience on your resume, guess who they're going to look at first?"

Links and Resources:

• Coders Campus Bootcamp
• Email Trevor: [email protected]

Summary

To reach out and connect with Alex, here's her LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-mamolo-2a1b57222/

In this episode, Trevor interviews Alex, who shares her journey from being a musician to transitioning into the tech industry. Alex talks about her background in music, playing drums in a band, and the challenges she faced in her musical career. She then discusses her experience working in data entry and her decision to pursue a career in technology. Alex explains how she discovered coding and her decision to join a coding bootcamp. She shares her struggles with understanding methods and functions and the support she received from her instructors. Alex emphasizes the importance of understanding the fundamentals of coding and how it has impacted her personal growth and progress. In this conversation, Alex discusses her experience in the coding bootcamp and the challenges she faced. She shares how she overcame those challenges and gained confidence in her coding abilities. The conversation also explores the difficulty curve in learning programming and the importance of perseverance. Alex talks about her job search process and the need for relentless follow-up. The conversation concludes with an invitation for listeners to connect with Alex and seek advice on their own coding journey.

Takeaways

• Transitioning from a non-technical career to the tech industry is possible with the right support and guidance.
• Learning HTML and CSS is a great starting point for beginners in coding.
• Struggling with certain concepts is common in coding, and seeking help from instructors is crucial for overcoming challenges.
• Understanding the fundamentals of coding, such as methods and functions, is essential for building a strong foundation. Overcoming challenges in the bootcamp can lead to significant growth and improved coding skills.
• The difficulty curve in learning programming often means that the second half of the bootcamp is easier than the first half.
• Struggling on the job is different from struggling in the bootcamp, but both experiences can be valuable learning opportunities.
• Relentless follow-up in the job search process can significantly increase the chances of getting an interview.
• Revisiting assignments and focusing on mastering core skills can help improve coding abilities.
• Networking and interpersonal skills are just as important as coding skills in the job search process.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

02:09 Interest in Technology and Music

05:31 Transition from Music to Data Entry

06:26 Exploring Tech Education Options

08:23 Choosing a Coding Bootcamp

09:52 Learning HTML and CSS

12:43 Struggles with Methods and Functions

15:35 Support and Guidance from Instructors

23:00 Importance of Understanding Fundamentals

24:25 Personal Growth and Progress

24:54 Overcoming Challenges in the Bootcamp

26:15 The Difficulty Curve in Learning Programming

27:44 Struggling on the Job vs. in the Bootcamp

29:38 The Excitement and Satisfaction of Coding

31:04 Job Search Process and Challenges

32:33 The Importance of Relentless Follow-up

34:01 Conversion Rate in Job Applications

36:55 Balancing Time Between Assignments and Job Search

38:23 Avoiding the Comfort Zone and Focusing on Networking

39:20 Revisiting Assignments to Improve Skills

40:46 Alex's Strong Understanding of Programming Terminology

42:35 Follow-up and Feedback in the Job Search Process

45:29 Proving Interest and Following Up After Rejection

47:22 Closing Remarks and Invitation to Connect

To reach out and connect with Tony: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edmonds-tony/

Takeaways - Negotiate your salary and consider the market conditions in your area. - Remote work opportunities are available, but starting with a hybrid role can provide valuable experience. - Working in an office and collaborating with experienced developers can accelerate your learning and career growth. - Having mentors and leveraging their expertise can help you progress quickly in your career. - Bootcamp graduates can pivot to different roles within a company and apply their skills in various domains. - Don't be discouraged by negative news and focus on your own journey and progress. - When starting a new job, be resourceful, spend time learning on your own, and ask for help when needed.

Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background 02:23 Becoming a Digital Nomad 03:42 Fascination with Latin America and the Digital Nomad Lifestyle 06:33 Choosing the University Path 09:20 Transitioning to a Bootcamp 13:03 The Benefits and Limitations of University Education 20:05 The Job Search Process 23:43 The Importance of a Structured Job Search 28:03 Seeking Remote Job Opportunities 30:50 The Interview Process 31:48 Job Offer and Salary 33:15 Remote Work Opportunities 34:39 The Value of Working in an Office 35:03 Transitioning to Remote Work 37:24 The Importance of Mentors 38:18 Opportunities for Development within a Company 39:39 Pivoting to Different Roles 40:36 Enjoying the Data Role 41:32 The Reality of Getting a Job 42:31 The Influence of News and Media 44:30 Advice for Bootcamp Students 48:16 Tony's Advice for Himself 49:41 Tony's Final Project 53:52 Connecting with Tony on LinkedIn 54:22 Questions for Trevor

Summary If you want to connect/reach out to Jeff, here's his LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffpodmayer/ In this episode, Trevor interviews Jeff, who made a transition from being an outdoor guide to pursuing a career in tech. Jeff shares his experiences working as a guide in the mountains and his journey into the tech industry. He discusses his interest in coding and how he researched different bootcamp options before choosing Coders Campus. Jeff also talks about his learning experience at the bootcamp and provides feedback for improvement. In this conversation, Jeff and Trevor discuss various aspects of the bootcamp experience and the job search journey. They talk about the importance of exercises and assignments in solidifying learning, as well as the need for more exercises in the later stages of the bootcamp. They also discuss the challenges of covering advanced topics and the length of the videos. Jeff shares his preparation for the job search and the support he has received from the career services team. Trevor emphasizes the importance of networking and finding a support system during the career transition. They conclude the conversation by discussing the value of honesty and support in the bootcamp experience. Takeaways

• Transitioning from one career to another requires thorough research and exploration of different options.
• Choosing a bootcamp with experienced instructors who have worked in the industry can provide valuable insights and guidance.
• Learning to code is a skill that can be compared to learning a trade, and it requires practice and hands-on experience.
• The struggle and frustration are part of the learning process, and it's important to learn how to respond to challenges in a calm and focused manner.
• Completing a bootcamp program can provide the necessary skills and knowledge to pursue a career in the tech industry. Exercises and assignments are crucial for reinforcing learning and should be included throughout the bootcamp.
• More exercises should be included in the later stages of the bootcamp to solidify knowledge.
• Covering advanced topics in the bootcamp can be challenging, and there should be a balance between depth and length of videos.
• Preparation for the job search is essential, and networking is a valuable strategy for finding opportunities.
• Having a support system during the career transition can provide encouragement and guidance.
• Honesty and support are important in the bootcamp experience, both from instructors and fellow students.

Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background 02:58 Transition from Outdoor Guide to Tech Career 05:47 Love for Nature and Outdoor Activities 10:00 Exploring Coding as an Option 26:09 Choosing Coders Campus 31:49 Learning Experience at Coders Campus 39:08 Feedback and Improvements 39:38 Exercises and Assignments 40:56 Topics Covered Towards the End 42:25 Revamping the Videos 46:43 Preparing for the Job Search 47:42 Networking and Support 53:54 Advice to the Younger Self 01:08:12 The Importance of Support 01:16:29 Rejection and Selectivity 01:17:26 Connecting with Jeff

Summary In this episode, Trevor interviews Kevin, who made a career transition from fashion to technology. Kevin shares how his interest in Microsoft Excel and his curiosity about technology led him to pursue coding. He discusses the challenges and rewards of the coding bootcamp, emphasizing the importance of building a strong foundation in programming and much more. Connect with Kevin via LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kgallaccio/ Takeaways

• Curiosity and a willingness to learn are essential for success in the tech industry.
• Building a strong foundation in programming is crucial for future learning and development.
• Imposter syndrome is common among aspiring coders, but it should not deter them from pursuing their goals.
• Committing a significant amount of time and effort to coding can accelerate learning and progress in a bootcamp. Set realistic expectations and be prepared to work hard in the coding industry.
• Take initiative and don't rely solely on a bootcamp to secure a job.
• Follow up with employers and engage in conversations with real human beings.
• Continuously code and build projects to enhance skills and stand out from the crowd.
• Reach out to experienced coders for advice and support, and advocate for yourself throughout the coding journey.

Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background 03:22 Transition from Fashion to Technology 06:14 Curiosity and Excel Skills 09:01 Imposter Syndrome and Learning Journey 12:21 Experience in the Coding Bootcamp 23:38 Future Plans and Job Prospects 27:22 Setting Expectations and Working Hard 29:14 The Importance of Taking Initiative 30:39 The Reality of the Job Search Process 31:35 The Need for Follow-Up and Marketing Yourself 34:03 Engaging with Human Beings and Overcoming Objections 36:17 Continuing to Code and Building Projects 45:41 Reaching Out to Coders for Advice 49:03 The Importance of Advocating for Yourself 53:25 Wrap-Up and Contact Information

This thought-provoking video delves deep into a highly controversial topic: Are coding jobs disappearing? As we stand on the brink of unprecedented technological advancements, what does the future hold for coders and software engineers? Are we facing a coding apocalypse or is it just a myth?

Join us as we expose the untold truths behind the glitz and glam of the coding industry. We uncover it all from the intricate world of coding boot camps to the journey of coding novices transforming into graduates.

This is not just about learning any specific language, it's about understanding the implications of these skills in a rapidly evolving job market.

If you've ever asked yourself, "Am I just wasting my time learning to code?" this episode is for you.

Interested in starting your coding career?

I'm now accepting students into an immersive programming Bootcamp where I guarantee you a job offer upon graduation. It is a 9 month, part-time, online Bootcamp that teaches you everything you need to know to get a job as a Java developer in the real-world.

You can learn more via https://www.coderscampus.com/bootcamp

In this episode we'll talk to Ethan, who is a recent graduate from the Coders Campus Bootcamp and managed to land a job within two months of starting the search.

Ethan and I talk about how, from a young age, he was guided away from learning technology because his teachers didn't feel he was cut out for the field.

In this interview we'll learn how wrong his teachers were and how Ethan was able to complete the coding bootcamp while also raising a small child with a pregnant wife and working a full-time job.

If you'd like to get in touch with Ethan, feel free to add him via LinkedIn here

Interested in starting your coding career?

I'm now accepting students into an immersive programming Bootcamp where I guarantee you a job offer upon graduation.

It is a 6 to 9 month, part-time, online Bootcamp that teaches you everything you need to know to get a job as a Java developer in the real-world. You can learn more via https://www.coderscampus.com/bootcamp

In this episode we'll talk to Dustin, who is a recent graduate from the Coders Campus Bootcamp and managed to land a job within two months of starting the search. Dustin and I talk about his prior coding experience that he had before he joined our Bootcamp (spoiler: it wasn't much at all), and we talk about his experience as he went through the curriculum. Ultimately we know how his story turned out, but in this special interview we'll learn about HOW he was able to accomplish the task of completing the Bootcamp and landing a job while also being a father of a 2 year old, a husband, a full-time employee and part-time college student. We'll also learn about the important lessons that Dustin learned once he began his job search, and what mistakes he was making early on before he pivoted his approach, which then lead to the job that he was offered.

If you'd like to get in touch with Dustin, feel free to add him via LinkedIn here Interested in starting your coding career? I'm now accepting students into an immersive programming Bootcamp where I guarantee you a job offer upon graduation. It is a 6 month, part-time, online Bootcamp that teaches you everything you need to know to get a job as a Java developer in the real-world. You can learn more via https://www.coderscampus.com/bootcamp