When you Extirpate a Hot Pulp - do you need to find ALL the canals? Do you need to file to the apex? Which is the sedative of choice?

In this episode, we've got specialist Endodontist Dr Sanj Bhanderi to talk us through the CORRECT way to extirpate teeth in acute pain WITHOUT wasting time or making things worse for future treatment. It's packed full of gems for pain relief, diagnosis and isolation.

So, what is your protocol for extirpation? This episode is all about how to get the job done right and minimize discomfort for your patient.

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“I call it Ninja endodontics - get in and GET OUT - Stealth!” Dr. Sanj Bhanderi

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Highlights of this episode:

2:38 Dr. Sanj’s journey to Endodontics6:30 Emergency extirpations8:42 Diagnosis Protocol Irreversible Pulpitis11:57 Anaesthetic for Hot Pulps15:33 Caries and Restoration Removal Before Extirpating?19:16 Vital pulp therapy21:19 Isolation Protocol25:30 Sedative Dressing for Acute Pain28:42 Temporary restoration of choice31:39 Post Op Medicaments

Tune in for the Part 2 of this episode - next week we cover post-operative pain after endodontic treatment.

If you enjoyed this, you might also like my episode with another talented Endodontist,  Ammar Al-Hourani, on Is Single Point Obturation Acceptable?

Click below for full episode transcript:

Opening Snippet: /Jaz/ In ideal world, we'd love to remove the entire restoration. Remove any caries, access cracks but when I have 20 minutes we need to get in go for the kill. Is that okay? Can you forgive us? /Sanj/ At the end of this. This is about patient, this is about getting the patient out of pain. Okay, and you just need to get in there. I used to call it ninja endo get in there, get the job done. Get out before patient realizing it. That's my principal in endo whether it's emergency or Endo. You want to- /Jaz/ Stealthy. /Sanj/ STEALTH. Stealth. Okay?

Jaz's Introduction:What is your current protocol for EXTIRPATION? So let's say you made a diagnosis of irreversible pulpitis. Your patient is in raging pain. And you have to squeeze in this pain relieving treatment, a extirpation probably of a lower molar or something in five minutes. What are you going to do? Well, some of you will listen to this and it will be validation and revision. And you'll be thinking wow, I've been doing it right all this time, even though I thought maybe I was taking shortcuts but actually I've been doing it right all this time and others will be like whoa, this is so much easier compared to what I'm doing at the moment because the big hint I can give you is that you don't even need a K file for your molar extirpation anymore after today, because I've got Dr. Sanj Bhanderi, specialist endodontist to talk us through what is the right way, the proper way to do an extirpation of your patient who is in pain. And there are just so many gems from pain relief, diagnosis, isolation, and what I love about Sanj in this episode, is that he's not dogmatic. Yes, he's a specialist endodontist and so easy for him or anyone say you must always use rubberdam. But yes, he does discuss a scenario that okay, if for whatever reason, you had to do it without rubberdam, how can you optimize the isolation? How can you reduce the saliva getting inside the tooth, so I really appreciated that about this episode. I'm sure it hope you will as well. It's very much in tune with the real world. And lastly, we do cover his step by step what is the right and proper way to do an extirpation without wasting time and without actually making things worse for future treatment.

Main Episode:So hope you enjoy this episode. And I'll catch you in the outro. Dr. Sanj Bhanderi. Welcome to the Protrusive Dental Podcast. How are you my friend?

[Sanj]Very well. Thank you, Jaz. Thanks for the invitation. Excited. I've done one of these before.

[Jaz]Well, I'm amazed it's your first time and it's your real hero of mine, Sanj because I remember 10 years ago, I met you at the British Endodontic Society. Can you believe it was that long ago?

[Sanj]God. 10 years? You know what? Everything's a blur nowadays at my age. Yesterday, still seeing the same but no, thank you. It's lovely to have, to be here. Thank you.

[Jaz]Thank you so much. And I remember your lecture even then I remember some of your lectures the BDA and probably because our paths haven't collide. I haven't seen you. I know you're very active with your teaching, but our paths haven't collided since then that much, but it's great to have you on to talk about a very important topic, which is how to get a patient out of pain in terms of your diagnosis, irreversible pulpitis. We're going to talk about what is the optimum and best Sanj approved way of dealing with that you wish your referring dentist would do. And the other one we'll talk about is post op pain. But before we dive into the nitty gritty details, just please tell us, listening it's an international audience in terms of where is it that you work? What got you into endo a bit of your background?

[Sanj]Sure. Yes, I've been in this game in endo anyway, for, well, dentistry, I suppose we go all the way back. It's gonna be our 30th anniversary next year. So which is a bit frightening, so now I'm qualified in London, actually in London but I now live in Manchester enough sort of wormed my way up north to the northwest, maybe by accident, really, and just just hospital jobs initially came up, then I did my postgraduate training up here. I mean, back in those days 1995, there was no, there were only three postgraduate endodontic programs outside the hospital training pathway and that was either London or Manchester and I happen to be the right place, the right time in Manchester. I go on to the Masters quite young, actually quite early. I think it was the first one in our batch in our year and guys and I wasn't I flying student at all. I managed to, there's one to get an MSc and then I stayed in Manchester that time the mid 90's I don't know if you're too young to remember Jaz but it was quite a good university. And it was a hot thing. I had a better student life as a post grad than I did in London. But, now, it was things were changing in Manchester the Dental School's good I was teaching. There were not many endodontist one of the reasons I stayed up north actually because I needed a job prospects. This is before endo became really popular and I could see it in fact is by accident fell into endo it was gonna be either implants at that time there was an implant MSc and there was an endo MSC because that was one of the only endo at implant Msc in the country. I was too young I would never go on the people that got onto that were experienced practitioners and I've really had no chance but I, that's where I was gonna go. Ironically, the opposite way and I ended up doing endo and it's sort of taken off from there and I just got into Endo, the state of Manchester got job offers and I pretty much been full time endo day one from finishing the Master's since 1997.

[Jaz]So how many days are you clinical at the moment in terms of doing your endodontics referral practice?

[Sanj]Yeah, so I'm pretty much now full, full time as in I was four days and at three days now. And I've got an associate Rob, Rob Jacobs, who covers me so. So I'm down to three and a half days, teaching now just in private courses up and down between London and Manchester with a couple of friends. So that keeps me out of the practice. But pretty much I've always been a hands-on clinician.

[Jaz]So you're very wet fingered, very clinical, you, you've got a great name in the UK as the person for endo. So again, it's a privilege to have you on. The reason I have you on is because extirpations, I speak to different colleagues, and we all kind of do it differently. So I wanna find out what is it that you recommend? And I remember asking an endodontist, some years ago, what they recommended, and I got interesting answer from the endodontist. He said that, 'You know what, as an endodontist, I rarely get to see the emergency extirpation cases anymore, because usually by time they've come see me there's a sinus tract. There's a perio endo lesion, and they're really complicated.' So firstly, I'm just being nosy. How much emergency extirpation do you get? How many of those phone calls you get? How many of you actually treat in that regard?

[Sanj]In terms of the practice, you're absolutely right there being an endodontist. We, by the time they get to us, they are non vital previously root-filled, or the dentist has had to go doing it. We get a lot of phone calls, and mainly from dentists. What do I do? How do I numb the tooth up and this sort of thing, we'll talk about that shortly. But in that way, I'm kind of slightly lucky, although I know how to deal with it. And we have to back in the training, working in dental school, you're in the emergency dental casualty where they call it nowadays. So you have to deal with that you have to learn pretty quickly. One of the reasons I went into endo is just okay, it's not just about the white lines at the end of the endodontic treatment right in the beginning getting patients out of pain, immediately out of pain just until they relax and you get them back into the proper endo. That is really important. And in that way, I'm kind of shielded being in specialist practice, because it's my general dental colleagues. They're at the coalface and they've got to deal with that stuff on a Friday afternoon, just before they close patient will knocks in you know, they haven't slept for a week and they're anxious and nervous that never been to dentists, sometimes you got a lot to deal with, and you got to get them out of pain.