In this episode of The New CISO, guest Chris Fredrick, Deputy CISO at Baxter International, returns for the final part of his interview series with host Steve.

In parts one and two, Chris shared his background and the lessons he’s learned during a breach. Today, Chris joins host Steve to discuss maintaining a productive outlook while looking for a new position. Listen to the episode to learn more about the lessons you can learn at every role, the importance of perception, and job-hunting challenges.

Listen to Steve and Chris discuss the best time to leave a position post-breach and how to stay positive in the face of rejection:

A New Job (1:40)

After working on the SOC with Steve, Chris felt ready for a new challenge. He then saw a role that scared him, making him believe that that was the right position. This decision set him down his CISO path.

However, this new position was temporary because when he threw his hat in the ring for the permanent role, it didn’t work out. Ultimately, this rejection caused Chris to reflect on his career journey.

Doing Things Differently (6:03)

Steve asks Chris if he would have done things differently in his interview, knowing what he knows now. Chris would make the same decisions, especially since his time there had many challenges. 

Even though that role didn’t pan out, Chris learned a lot during this time. He built confidence in his presentation skills and had the opportunity to meet more established CISOs. By networking with other CISOs, Chris realized he truly belonged in the security world.

The Value of Stoicism (10:05)

Chris advises on how to handle job rejection. He refers to Stoicism, which states we cannot control the outcome but can control our perception.

When bad things happen, we can perceive it as a positive that will set us on the right path.

Looking For Work (15:35)

Despite Chris’ impressive career history, it took him months to find his next role. After evaluating his many interviews, Chris recommends that security recruiters learn more about the field to better choose candidates. 

Chris and Steve then discuss the other lessons Chris learned during the job-hunting process, including what questions interviewers should or shouldn’t ask. Referring to Stoicism again, Chris also recommends structuring a routine around job hunting, including doing a positive hobby you enjoy.

The New CISO (28:32)

To Chris, being a new CISO means understanding that we are tasked with the impossible. Therefore, it’s essential to build an environment where people never feel like they are being asked to do the impossible for the ungrateful.

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