This week on the Real Estate Growth Hackers Show, Zach Hammer speaks with Matt Barnett. Matt is an industrial designer before design thinking became popular. He has been building design-leading and culture-focused businesses for the past eight years.

Today, the conversation will focus on how Matt disrupts the way brands communicate with customers and his belief that true relationships lie at the heart of sales and retention.

Listen to this week’s episode and learn how Matt Barnett solves the challenge of how to scale your relationships with your customers.