A protracted war could end up destroying Ukraine. A wider confrontation between two nuclear powers — U.S. and Russia — could lead to World War III. So what to do to stop it? We talk to Rand Corp. grand strategist Miranda Priebe, who just co-authored a powerful new paper promoting concrete measures for bringing both Russia and Ukraine to the negotiating table in order to end the madness before the worst can happen. In the first segment, Dan & Kelley talk about China Balloon-gate and how the Washington frenzy could very well blow us into a war, if cooler heads don't prevail. But where are they?

More from Miranda Priebe:

Avoiding a Long War: U.S. Policy and the Trajectory of the Russia-Ukraine Conflict, with Sam Charap, Rand Corporation, 1/25/23

Don’t Rule Out Diplomacy in Ukraine, with Sam Charap, Foreign Affairs, 10/28/22

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