In the past, churches have use failure as a weapon and it's burned people. This week we talk to Drew Powell from Cross Point Church about why churches are afraid to mention failure (5:15), how failure can actually help people (12:02), and how pressing on pain points can motivate people to respond (21:01). We also get in the weeds of how to use failure in our teaching (7:56) and in our promotions (15:55). Oh! And Jonathan introduces the idea of making a failure sandwich (11:30).

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