Sasha and I discuss the immense value of rituals, even for those of us with a much more secular, non-religious worldview. We get into how we make meaning, experience awe, and approach mystery. Some of my favorite topics!

I'm thrilled to get this chance to speak with Sasha, for so many reasons. Her life, work, and family are so brilliantly interesting to me, and her father's book/movie "Contact" was so influential for me growing up. We talk about that story towards the end of our chat.

Sasha is a writer, speaker, and filmmaker, and the book we discuss in this conversation is her 2019 release "For Small Creatures Such As We...", which is one of my top book recommendations.

To learn more about Sasha Sagan:
http://www.sashasagan.com
http://www.twitter.com/sashasagan
http://www.instagram.com/sashasagan

"For Such Creatures Such As We..." on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Small-Creatures-Such-We-Unlikely-ebook/dp/B07N5JQXFK/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=for+such+creatures&qid=1620071000&sr=8-3