Do you end each day full of energy or drained and in need of recovery? This week's guest, Ben Simpson, believes that our working lives should be a source of vitality, and not something we have to recover from, and he shares his insights on how to achieve that.

Ben is the Chair of the Deming Alliance in the UK and co-founder of VitalOrg, so he knows plenty about what makes organisations and people tick. 

Plus, you hear from hosts James Lawther and Jimmy Barber to see if their working lives were ever a source of vitality.

If that isn't enough, James takes a walk down memory lane, visiting universities with his daughter, whilst Jimmy is just back from the sun, with panda eyes to prove it. 

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