We began our conversation with internationally celebrated photographer Howard Schatz by focusing on the nature of creativity and and the challenges of creating "phenomenal" images when so many images are unoriginal, easy to access and abundant -- though the abundance, Schatz feels, makes it easier to determine what is great. He spoke about his interest in the human form and the mystery of art as well as his recent book, PAIRS, anchored in the idea of the diptych. He spoke, too, of the necessity of knowing what is going on in one's chosen field and why it is singularly important not to previsualize, as well as the backgrounds on his computer screen, photographing flowers and nudes and how practicing medicine helped him to be more human and a better photographer. A rich and deep conversation.