In this podcast episode, hosts Nate and Mike enjoy smoking a well-aged Hoyo de Monterrey Excalibur Dark Knight Toro cigar while diving into a deep and detailed true crime discussion. They focus on the 1983 murder of Barbara Grams in Tampa, Florida, exploring the investigation, trial, and wrongful conviction of Robert DuBoise, who spent 37 years in prison due to flawed bite mark forensic evidence and unreliable jailhouse informant testimony.

They provide historical context around the 1980s Tampa crime climate, the pressure on law enforcement to close cases quickly, and how forensic odontology—widely accepted at the time but now discredited—played a key role in DuBoise’s conviction. The episode highlights the role of the Innocence Project and modern DNA testing in overturning wrongful convictions, culminating in DuBoise’s exoneration in 2020. The hosts discuss the broader implications of wrongful convictions, the importance of legal reform, the challenges exonerees face upon release, and the inadequate compensation in Florida.

Interspersed with candid cigar commentary and personal reflections on the justice system, wrongful convictions, and how cultural and technological changes affect forensic science, the episode ends with a call to support organizations like the Innocence Project and engage critically with criminal justice processes.

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