This time our two heroes host an eclectic couple known as the grumpy old coders. Thomas, David, Martin and Chris

discuss stealing, um, borrowing (and never giving back) of mottos and mascotts, programming languages including

Java, Python and Rust woes and how they all arrived at podcasting. Never mind Chris revealing his true and

only heritage and other little-known secrets. Don't miss out on this episode for the full lowdown (never mind

the even lower down .

Shownotes: