Hard Core producer Dylan Heuer interviews Jacques Perritaz of Cidrerie du Vulcain in Gruyère, Switzerland and Benoit Lesuffleur of Domaine Lesuffleur in Normandy, France. They share the stories behind their ciders and dive deep into apple varieties, biodiversity and heritage. Plus they discuss consumer differences in Europe versus the U.S. and what they want winemakers to know.

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