In this episode, Thomas Kunjappu sits down with Marni Helfand, General Counsel and Chief Human Resources Officer at The Planet Group, to unpack what happens when legal risk, recruiting automation, and executive fear collide.

From her rare position at the intersection of HR and employment law, Marni explains why the biggest risk isn’t using AI—it’s not using it. She walks through her team’s real-world experiments with AI recruiting tools, how they discovered hidden weaknesses in job descriptions, and why even “safe” automation can backfire without human judgment in the loop.

This conversation goes beyond compliance. It’s about helping HR evolve from paralyzed to proactive—by starting small, learning fast, and staying human.

Topics Discussed:

• How an AI recruiting tool rejected 100 candidates in 25 minutes—without human review
• Why HR’s real risk isn’t legal exposure—it’s fear and inertia
• A simple prompt that unlocks small wins: “Wouldn’t it be great if…”
• What Marni learned from running an AI recruiting pilot at a staffing firm
• Why most job descriptions are sabotaging your AI efforts
• A compliance-first approach to choosing the right AI vendors
• The HR cat-and-mouse game: AI-savvy candidates vs. AI screeners
• Why employee relations won’t disappear—but how AI can improve its output
• A call for mid-career HR pros to make the business case, not just wait for permission

 If you're an HR leader wrestling with legal risk, executive hesitation, or your own uncertainty around AI, this episode offers a practical lens for moving forward—without losing the human core of your work.