While Los Angeles is 100 degrees and on fire again, Jessica sits down with Kelly Tatham, a climate activist and writer who claims "we are out of time and time is an illusion."

HT EP 14 KELLY TATHAM

Nobody usually wants to think, talk or hear about climate change so Jessica Sele decided to dedicate a whole podcast to broaching this huge bummer. While not taking it too lightly but not being so heavy handed as to give guests, listeners or herself anxiety attacks, she offers an earnest attempt to get at what is going on in our hearts while we destroy the planet.

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HT EP 14 KELLY TATHAM

HT EP 14 KELLY TATHAM