August 15, 2024

Htmx, Open Source, Retro Tech, and Dev Tools with Carson Gross

1 hour 8 minutes

In this episode of Whiskey Web and Whatnot, Robbie and Chuck talk with Carson Gross about his journey in web development, including the creation of htmx and its predecessor, intercooler.js. They touch on the differences between front-end libraries, the importance of timing in tech adoption, and the relevance of older technologies. Carson also talks about his love for baseball, retro software, and the potential for a return to simpler and more varied tech tools and hardware.

In this episode:

(00:00) - Intro

(01:39) - Meet Carson Gross

(03:25) - Whiskey tasting: Bullet Rye 12 Year

(11:45) - Hot takes

(21:32) - htmx vs intercooler.js

(24:04) - Meme culture

(31:43) - Open source and community engagement

(36:14) - Pick the tech stack you like

(42:15) - Teaching cloud computing

(48:01) - Carson’s non-tech career

(58:43) - Retro tech

Quotes
“Intercooler vs htmx. They're the same thing. One of my takeaways from that is that timing is really, really important. Intercooler was too early. And we've seen that before in tech. If timing is what matters then the longer you can hang around, the more likely you are to catch that timing at some point.” ~ Carson Gross

“As I've gotten older, I've stopped looking for the one true programming language and the one true way to do X or Y or Z. There's a lot of different ways to get stuff done. And I like that there are people doing them different ways and that they've got their different take on things.” ~ Carson Gross

Links

Montana State University: https://www.montana.edu

Jameson: https://www.jamesonwhiskey.com

Bulleit 12 Year Rye: https://www.bulleit.com/whiskey/bulleit-12-year-old-rye

Stagg JR: https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/brands/stagg-jr

Maker’s Mark: https://www.makersmark.com

Redbreast: https://www.redbreastwhiskey.com

OCaml: https://ocaml.org

HyperCard Programmer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperCard

Vercel: https://vercel.com

Thinking in Java: https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Java-4th-Bruce-Eckel/dp/0131872486

JetBrains: https://www.jetbrains.com

TailwindCSS: https://tailwindcss.com

IntercoolerJS / intercoolerjs.org: https://intercoolerjs.org

Big Sky Dev Con: https://bigskydevcon.com

Manning: https://www.manning.com

Teej_dv: https://www.twitch.tv/teej_dv

Fireship - htmx in 100 seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-GSGH2RxJs

Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com

sst.dev: https://sst.dev

Dax Raad: https://x.com/thdxr

Open Next on GitHub: https://github.com/serverless-stack/open-next

floppydisks.com: https://floppydisks.com

Zork Game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork

hyperscript: https://hyperscript.org

unpoly: https://unpoly.com

Analogue: https://www.analogue.co

Parov Stelar: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVtnG15ufdzur71RqfqNSOg

Connect with Carson

Website: https://hypermedia.systems

Htmx: https://htmx.org

X / Twitter: https://x.com/htmx_org

Connect with our hosts

Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner

Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd

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