On this week's bonus episode Robert speaks candidly to his long-time friend, fellow author, survivor, philanthropist, and therapist, Dr. Ken Druck. Ken lost his oldest daughter at a young age, entering him into a period of the dark night of the soul. Robert experienced his own version of hell as he battled back over a 10 year period from severe reactions to the medication from a kidney transplant. Their conversation centers on their experiences and on creating grief literacy for others facing dark moments. Learning how to embrace these moments with the most self-compassion and human authenticity as possible is their focus. And then guiding us on how to transform our suffering and growth into a benefit for our communities at large, in whatever ways are possible for us. How to sensitize ourselves in this direction is a central theme. Ken offers his "6 Honorings," or guideposts of how to go on after enduring life's most difficult challenges. In this conversation, Robert and Ken share their bond to each other and their commitment to being an influence in the world for good, because no matter what your pain is, you can embrace it and use it for a catalyst, to both care for it and the world.

Read the transcription and listen to this episode on The Global Bridge Foundation website.