In this episode of Grown To Lead, Lindsay Zubek sits down with Paul Wolfe, author of Human Beings First, to explore what empathetic leadership actually looks like in practice.

Paul shares why curiosity and listening are often the most overlooked leadership skills, how trust and psychological safety shape performance, and why middle managers play a critical role in workplace culture. The conversation also explores mental health at work, transparency, and the impact of leaders sharing real experiences with their teams.

This episode is a grounded, practical conversation for leaders who want to build stronger connections, healthier teams, and cultures that work for real people.