In this episode, we sit down with Jane and Joyce Coomber Sewell, neurodiversity trainers who believe that true accessibility and understanding can only come from lived experience. Forget textbook definitions and outdated stereotypes, Jane and Joyce share what it’s really like to be neurodiverse or "human diverse" as they prefer to refer to it. They explore the challenges of navigating a world not built for them, and how they turn those experiences into training that genuinely helps people, workplaces, and communities become more inclusive. What you’ll learn in this episode: 👉 Joyce's experience of growing up autistic without knowing the word for it 👉 Why “normal” isn’t real, and why they prefer the term “human diverse” 👉 The difference between head knowledge and heart knowledge 👉 How small, thoughtful changes can dramatically improve accessibility 👉 Challenging the idea that autistic people are ‘broken’ or need curing 👉 Why only lived experience can create meaningful neurodiversity training 👉 Public speaking tips: keeping it simple, connecting with every member of your audience, using cue cards vs. scripting, and strategies for eye contact and masking 👉 CPD-accredited training insights: making courses accessible, engaging, and more marketable Don't forget to collect your CPD credits for this episode! Visit https://thecpd.group/podcast and enter the code 800153 to download your CPD certificate and credits ✅