The second episode is an interview with David K. Reynolds.  David, is the creator of Constructive Living.  Constructive Living is based on Morita Therapy and the Naikan mindfulness practice both of which originated in Japan.  PACT's emphasis on "outside focused attention" and doing what needs to be done to promote secure functioning come from Constructive Living.  In the expert interview, David explains Constructive Living and how he has dedicated his adult life to translating Naikan and Morita for a western audience.  He is an amazing example of someone who embodies their practice and was the perfect person to talk to for the first podcast interview.  

0:00-28:45- Interview with Stan Tatkin about Constructive Living

28:45-1:20:45- Interview with David K. Reynolds about Constructive Living

Here are some of the links mentioned in the episode:

Constructive Living Website:

https://constructiveliving2.weebly.com/

Playing Ball on Running Water:

https://www.amazon.com/Playing-Ball-Running-Water-Japanese/dp/0688039138

David's Audio Book:

https://www.audible.com/pd/Constructive-Living-Audiobook/B017HQBNMS