Justin and Stephen talk with Dr. Victoria Reynolds Farmer about experiences of people with disabilities during COVID, including reasons for hope, frustration, and deep disappointment. They discuss the question of why society seems to be able to adapt now in ways that were resisted earlier, the experience of growing up Christian and disabled, and hopes for the church. Victoria shares about embodied faith and incarnational theology. They conclude with a discussion of Jean Vanier and abuse. Justin and Stephen also talk about the transition out of the semester and the pleasure of outrage. Resources from this episode: • A couple of pop-media articles  on the Pleasures of Outrage and the Psychology of Outrage. • We also found this book about Christians and outrage. We haven’t read it but the idea sounded interesting. • Christian Feminist Podcast • Christian Humanist Radio Network • A brief profile on Imani Barbarin • #abledsareweird on Twitter • #notaboutuswithoutus on Twitter • Time article that includes Alice Wong • Inquiry Statement regarding Jean Vanier

Credits: Music by Josiah Enns. Photo by Preston Goff on Unsplash