The first instalment of a series within a series. This is Humans in 30ish, where Luke McCredden and Matt Peek go at it with 2 secret topics each and see where it leads....all in about 30ish minutes.

In this episode, Luke pours over the rapid growth of gin in the beverage world and ponders growing concerns at the health and mental state of Donald Trump, Matt gets serious with the implications of the "Karen" movement and goes rogue on Rove......

2:08 - The Gin Movement

8:02 - Karen is the new Hitler

14:15 - Trump - The bloke isn't stable

22:19 - Matt goes rogue on Rove