Rev. Todd Outcalt is the Senior Pastor of Calvary UMC-Brownsburg and the author of over 30 books including the just released "The Other Jesus."  In this episode of the Hoosier United Methodist Podcast Dr. Brad Miller has a conversation with Todd about two things which must happen for a churh to grow.  In the resource segment of the program Dr. Brad reviews "Three Simple Truth" by Dr Adolph Hansen.