It's been a long time since we last talked together like this and shared with you all!! This podcast is just us, sharing as openly as we can about what has been going on in our lives and in our own inner work, the challenges of working on patterns and self-identity, and the learnings too. 

I have to say, we were both very happy with how it came out.

Enjoy, and thanks for listening!

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Jay website: www.findingstillness.co.nz  

Sabine website www.shinebrightcentre.co.nz 

Ren Xue website: www.renxueinternational.org