An overwhelming majority of Black Americans say they plan to vote for Kamala Harris as the next U.S. president. Around one-quarter of Black men under 50, however, say they plan to support Donald Trump instead.

In this 47-minute episode of America Speaks, pollster and political analyst Dr. Frank Luntz asks a group of Black U.S. voters under 40 who are planning to vote for Donald Trump why they’re making the choice to support him over Kamala Harris.