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Dextra Hoffman’s talent as a portrait artist first captured Elle’s attention when Dex posted a WiP (work in progress) of Kate McKinnon as Holtzmann on Facebook. Elle quickly procured the portrait (which now hangs in their bedroom), spent a Comic Con with Dextra, and asked their brilliant friend to come on the podcast with the hopes that she would share the story of her grandpa and Captain America. She lovingly obliged. In this far-ranging conversation, Elle and Dextra share how their art has been impacted by grief, their sometimes goofy strategies for breaking out of the tunnel vision of ADHD-driven creative activities, so they remember to do things like eat and stretch, and as many things as their ADHD can fit into a meandering 45 minute episode.

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