This conversation starts where you'd least expect, with the Winter Olympics, Law & Order marathons, and a passionate rant about moguls being terrifying. But it quickly moves into Julie's remarkable story: growing up with her mother and grandmother in Rockdale, living in the back of a shop, and eventually buying a house in Gymea Bay thanks to a kind real estate agent who lent them money interest-free because they couldn't get a loan.

But the heart of this episode is Billy Graham. In 1959, Julie attended a crusade at Moore Park and everything changed. She was 15 or 16, already going to church but not yet a Christian in the way she would become. Billy Graham's calm, believable way of speaking gave her what she'd been looking for: clarity, understanding, and a faith she could take ownership of. "I wanted calmness," she says simply.

From there, Julie's life was shaped by that decision. She trained as a secretary at Gymea TAFE, worked various office jobs, married a naval officer and spent two years at the Naval College in Jervis Bay with her mother and grandmother in tow. She raised three kids, knocked down an old house and built a new one, and showed up at church faithfully for decades.