Today on the pod, Charlene catches up with her friend, the brilliant drummer and composer Ian Chang. Ian's style of drumming is utterly singular, and his wildly inventive songs have been praised by everyone from NPR to Modern Drummer. While Ian is perhaps best known as a member of the dark indie band Son Lux, he's also been the man behind the rhythm for records by Moses Sumney, Landlady and more. Ian and Charlene talk about their shared experience living in Hong Kong as kids, starting out in their musical journeys as pop punk fanatics, and the challenge of find one's own voice as an artist when your musical influences stretch far and wide.

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