In the 3rd of 4 episodes about role models and memorable characters, Advanced TV Herstory host Cynthia Bemis Abrams and Summer Martin, of The Unconventional Woman podcast delve deep into some of the most crafted, defined, distinct women characters to ever grace the dramatic small screen.

They follow it up with a list of similarly refined, authentic real women – whose growth and stature have unfolded over the decades. Characters and real figures discussed include Dr. Camille Saroyan (Bones), Chris Cagney and MaryBeth Lacey (Cagney & Lacey), AnnaLiese Keating (How to Get Away With Murder), Olivia Pope (Scandal), Robin Roberts (Good Morning America), Joy Reid (The Reid Out), Gayle King, Oprah, Shonda Rhimes, and Martha Stewart.

Clip: Season 2 opener of Martha and Snoop's Dinner Party Music: Jahzzar's Take Me Higher (www.freemusicarchive.org) Summer Martin of The Unconventional Woman podcast www.tuwpodcast.com Editing and sound design by Catherine Yang