Cole and Grace invite streamer Jack (@Hendrixtrog on Twitter and Twitch) to talk about two unpleasant shooters, Kane and Lynch 2: Dog Days and Spec Ops: The Line. After a brief discussion of what we’ve been up to, including Kingdom Hearts Union Cross and Fall Guys, we talk about these game’s cinematic qualities, how they both push back against and embody the shooters they critique, and what influence they maybe should have on games today.

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