In this episode I talk to my longtime friend Tess Hawes about her experience of midlife crisis, my self-rejecting ambition, her divorce and career pivot, and how to get out of depression. We touch on the book "Finding Meaning in the Second Half of Life" by James Hollis, "Mind Your Body" by Nicole Sachs, and my therapist, Lisa Chen, whom I highly recommend (you can find her at lisachentherapy.com).