More teachers should understand that loss of engagement in the present generation of students has serious neuroscience-driven experts hot on the trail of tech solutions that curiously elevate human discourse at the same time. LeiLani interviews Senior Director of Product and Content for MIND Education, Ki Karou, who leads a team of learning and game designers, artists and mathematicians who develop ST Math’s interactive programs. They discuss the importance of talking about math and collective problem solving in classrooms, how this transforms the actual learning experience while engaging students. Listen in as LeiLani and Ki chat about how students chatting about what they notice and what they wonder about in math problems presented as puzzles prompts the learning engagement needed.