Deputy president Paul Mashatile talks about the GNU, the National Dialogue price tag, the controversy around his trips abroad and the possibility of facing Patrice Motsepe in the race for the ANC presidency.

Mashatile is in conversation with Sowetan editor in chief, Sibongakonke Shoba, in Sowetan's new podcast, IN THE KNOW.

Read more on the Mashatile interview: https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/

Podcast produced by: Gugu Phandle