In this episode I chat with Patrick Pfingsten, publisher of The Illinoize. We talk about the country's infatuation with national politics, why our state politicians probably need a raise, and shoe shining.

Patrick was a longtime voice on WDWS radio who transitioned to political consulting. His free newsletter offers a deep dive into Illinois politics.

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Contact

• Email Steve at [email protected] or visit holstein.co/contact/
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