I feel like I should start with an apology because this recording had so much quality I had to take out just to get it close to thirty minutes. I give all the credit to Alan whose a man and a comic who is all about vulnerability. There's nothing we can't talk about on stage and off and there's nothing we didn't talk about.

Alan was one of the two people I met when I first walked into The Fourth Wall to do my first open mic in a new venue and from that moment I've always been so happy to catch up when I see him at a mic.

In this conversation we talk about being considered an Uncle Tom even when you're white, the struggles of being an individual even when you're wrong, and (of course) Granny Porn.